HelloThere314ism

HelloThere314ism also known as HTh314ism is a anarchist ideology believing in Post-Situationism, Ego-Mutualism, Absurdism, and a mix of Individualist and Social Anarchist thought. They have a strong love of the community and others while seeking to create for oneself. They prefer Geomutualism as an economic system but honestly doesn't care.

Ideological Summary
Anarchism Socialism Progressivism Absurdism Environmentalism
 * [[File:Anin.png]]Individualist Anarchism
 * [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Left Anarchism
 * [[File:Antwork.png]]Work Abolitionism
 * [[File:Post-an.png]]Post-Anarchism
 * [[File:Postmodernicon.png]]Postmodernism
 * [[File:Poststruct.png]]Poststructuralism
 * [[File:Ins.png]]Insurrectionism
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Post-Situationism
 * [[File:Ego.png]]Egoism
 * [[File:Ego.png]]Egoistic Anarchism
 * [[File:EgoUnion.png]]Union of Egoists
 * [[File:Socan2.png]]Social Anarchism
 * [[File:Marx.png]]Marxism
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism
 * [[File:FreudCom.png]]Freudo-Marxism
 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Individualist Socialism
 * [[File:Fem.png]]Feminism
 * [[File:Anfem.png]]Anarcha-Feminism
 * [[File:Xenofeminism.png]]Xenofeminism
 * [[File:Anqueer.png]]Queer Anarchism
 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Gender Accelerationism
 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]Existentialist Anarchism
 * [[File:Aneco.png]]Eco-Anarchism
 * [[File:Ectrans.png]]Technogaianism

[[File:Postsitu.png]]Spectacle
Spectacle is the basis of society. Authentic social life is dead. Commodity fetishism in the Capitalist sense and general bootlicking to authority. Along with that looks have dominated life instead of utility. We care more about the look a product gives us then the actual use of the product. Orthodox Situationism posits that Capitalism is the main source of this spectacle but really it is the essential basis of any society. It takes the form of Capitalist consumerism but previously the state would provide it in a feudal economy. It is the fundamental property of any authority, any society. "There is no society of the spectacle, but rather a spectacle of society" - Jean-Pierre Voyer.

[[File:Situ.png]]Situations
Instead of any convoluted revolution that is almost destined to fail they support living one's life without spectacle and authority by seeking to create situations without their influence. For them this is usually art, writing, and mathematics.

[[File:Egomut.png]]Economy[[File:Geomut.png]]
They believe in a Mutualist economy with free markets of individuals and cooperatives, which are Unions of Egoists. They also believe in mutual credit banks and the right of contract. Land Value Dues would be issued for how long one has occupied land. This is merely their prefered economy, they would be fine with any economy or no economy at all, as long as it is consensual.

[[File:Egomut.png]]Property[[File:Geomut.png]]
They think that all should have free access to private property however they think that people should respect their use of the property but after one is done using it, anyone can freely access it. When it comes to land they suggest a system of land value dues to compensate for sustained use. This is not out of a perceived thievery of property like Proudhon but out of their desire to freely access property individually without respect to any property rights. This is only what they think will satisfy them most and any other Union could do things completely differently, they don't care.

[[File:EgoUnion.png]]Union of Egoists[[File:Camus.png]]
They believe that Stirner's idea of a Union of Egoists is the best and fairest way to run a society. They differ from Egoism in that they prefer a morality between those in the union under the Absurd and other authorities. Stirner identifies this as a sacred cause but if it aligns with their cause then so be it. They are most comfortable in a Union with morality but that is only their preference.

[[File:Egocom.png]]The Expansion Of The Ego
Just as Stirner labels property as an extension of the ego, relationships between egos are just as much extensions. The Union of Egoists aligns itself through all's self interest. The otherness between the ego's in a union is narrow. To treat all in the union as property makes them just as much one's ego. It extends the ego and creates an egoistic collective. All aligned in self interest and all one's property.

[[File:Egocom.png]]Narrow Egoism And Narrow Socialism
Humans are social animals, whether we like it or not. Thus a collective is always necessary. The collective if we look hard enough is only individuals; the individual if we look hard enough is only the collective. While unlike the individual comprising society the collective is what defines the individual. How could one define oneself without comparing oneself to others? The individual cannot exist without the collective and the collective cannot exist without the individual. Narrow egoist is when one focuses only on the individual and narrow socialism is when one focuses only on the collective. One does not have to make compromises between the individualism and collectivism rather a synthesis can be made. A superego can be formed that extends the ego of all. Thus a selfish community can be found. The group which they find this concept, For Ourselves! labels Stirner as a narrow egoism but this is more nuanced. Stirner may focus his ideology on merely one side of this coin but the method he proposes, the Union Of Egoists, is the perfect basis for this society. An expansion of ego, of the unique will only result in the full fulfillment of the individual. Social creatures we are, and thus societies will form. Narrow egoism is more represented by Randian Thought. The narrow socialist are like Marx focusing only on the collective. Both approaches are alienating and misguided. A synthesis of the collective and the individual must happen.

[[File:Egocom.png]]Social Contract And Communal Action
They agree with Stirner that all causes outside of one's own cause is merely the phantom of a sacred cause. That being said the unique individual is expanded by creation in all forms be that artistic or interpersonal. Along with that the individual is not all powerful to reach their goals. Stirner posits that Unions of Egoists will all contribute to their shared goals. Stirner is quite explicit that this collective cannot replace the individuals goals, if so a sacred cause forms. They agree with this but they believe that if voluntary and still with full respect to the individual a collective can form that has common causes. A Freudian super-ego forms. Value and morals only in the interest of the self. This loose social contract of sorts forms only out of the interest of all in the Union. One may say that this is no longer a proper Union as it follows a perceived sacred cause, however this new communal consciousness, this superego is fundamentally out of the shared interest of individualism. It forms a social contract of respect of others self interest and the ability to work to common causes. From that a shared morality will form. Hence it is a cause that comes out of a shared desire for individualism. It is held never sacred, and for only oneself.

[[File:Mutualist.png]]Mutual Aid[[File:Egocom.png]]
While agreeing with Egocoms that the expansion of the ego through egoistic collectivity is certainly the best course of action, they, as previously stated, prefer a Mutualist system of economics. While preferring markets they strongly believe in mutual aid. They find this superior to Communist altruism as mutual aid is fully on the individual level. It creates the expansion of the ego in a non standardized manner.

[[File:Anpostleft.png]]Abolition of Work[[File:Antwork.png]]
Work is a burden that should be eliminated. We live in a economy where every basic need could be met just by automation so their really is no need for compulsory work on the economic sense. Instead people should do as they please. Instead all should play, stimulating the economy only by participation and never relying on it.

[[File:Unconditional_Accelerationism.png]]Anti-Praxis[[File:Situ.png]]
Their ideal society has almost zero chance of occuring. No world with pure individualism with potential for community will ever occur. They, as has been already stated, advocate situations without spectacle and authority. However in terms of actually creating their society advocate nothing. All praxis is fundamentally misguided. They prefer insurrection, not in the way of praxis but as a mere resistance. Besides that they just live their life.

[[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism
We live in a world so dismissive to our needs. We strive for meaning yet we live in a world so deprived of meaning, we are free yet the entire rest of the universe hinders us. The one is fundamentally at conflict with the all. This conflict is known as the absurd. When we realize this absurdity there are three options, two of wich they dismiss. The first is physical suicide. Suicide is an act not of overcoming nor even of escape; it is saying you have given up. They have extreme sympathy for those who take their lives but they see it as not a proper solution. The second is acts of denial such as religion and the like. They are ways to escape it without facing the absurdity by placing their faith in something without any basis of truth. This is an act of bad faith in the Sartrian sense and philosophical suicide in the Camusian sense. The only true way is to face the absurd, stare so long into the void that it stares back. To face it you are putting yourself above it. You have truly overcome it. Live in spite of the absurd and continue to chase meaning, even with the knowledge meaning will never come. Live life just for life's sake!

[[File:Postmodernicon.png]]Postmodernism
There is no metanarrative that society follows. No end of history or utopia that's ever going to come. Besides that our notions of "truth" change throughout history. Things we take for granted now will most likely be seen as barbaric by our descendants (assuming humanity survives that long). As such taking principles and the like of our culture is tremendously stupid and instead people should mostly focus on themselves.

[[File:Ego.png]]Egoism
Every action is inherently selfish, weather one realizes this or not. There are two types of people - passive egoists and active egoists. The passive egoist engages themself in acts related to sacred causes and the like. They may follow god's cause, humanity's cause, the state's cause, etc. They view these causes as sacred as in above oneself and one's ownness. This is foolish as they place causes above their own while still being inherently selfish, seeking some reward for their acts of goodness, or even just to feel good about being a "good" person. Meanwhile the active egoist seeks only their cause out. "I have set my cause on nothing, nothing but my own cause" - Max Stirner. Why seek any cause besides one's own?

[[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]Freedom[[File:Post-an.png]]
People are radically free. We are always free to make choices, and appealing to any authority to make our decisions for us is fundamentally an act of bad faith. The authorities found everywhere only show the lack of freedom of the world and how the free individual and the rest of the world are fundamentally opposed. So do whatever you want, you're free to do so.

[[File:Absurd.png]]Morality[[File:Ego.png]]
While believing that morality is merely a social construction, they find it useful to act with some morality. This is merely a morality of respect of others freedoms, to respect contracts, etc. They think that this will make relations with others and oneself far more rewarding. While agreeing with Stirner that morality is a spook they still find it rewarding so they keep it. They also feel sympathy for all under the Absurd.

[[File:Ego.png]]The Dynamics Of All And One[[File:Absurd.png]]
In this world their is all and there is one. Both constitute each other; what is all but a collective of one and what is one but its definition from the all. Both cannot exist without the other, if all is without one the contents of one can never be and if one is without all, one becomes all. All and one is forever at conflict, one desires meaning while all offers none, one is forever free while all forever restricts. The conflict defines everything. Out of this conflict we find the Absurd, which as has been already established constitutes much of life. There is more to be found in this conflict then the Absurd, all conflict in the world is essentially an extension of the conflict between all and one. Take the conflict of freedom. The one is free in its decisions yet the all is forever conflicting. The power exerted by the all is so far reaching it constitutes everything. Culture is an extension of the all, the state is, everything external of the individual is the all. This all constitutes all power structures. Thus the free individual, the active egoist is diametrically opposed to the all. The one, as they are fundamentally just an expression of the all, has a desire to become all. The separation of all and one is the ego. The ego separates the one from the all. The ego allows for freedom, allows for separation. The one is social and desires an ego death. The expansion of the ego makes the all one and the one all.

[[file:Kak.png]]Kakistocracy
I knew nothing about politics.

[[File:Lib.png]]Liberalism
Thought that everyone deserves equal rights and liked Capitalism.

[[File:Cybercr.png]]Cyberocracy
Thought that computers could design the most equitable economy and laws. Still liked Capitalism and thought that the government should sell things at a low price but low quality to generate revenue and to make sure everyone gets what they need. Had an idea of a law market that acted like a social media platform practicing market based Liquid Democracy with those with the most successful laws getting higher advertisement. All decisions would have to be approved by the AI running the government. Wants a UBI. Might turn this into a self insert in the future as I find this period very interesting.

[[File:E-Democracy.png]]E-Democracy
Same as previous period but I valued liberty much more. Still thinks computers are best for planning but wants the people's will to come first.

[[File:Georgist.png]]Georgism
Took the land pill. Stopped liking computer planning and started to prefer free markets. Values liberty far more.

[[File:Auslibm.png]]Austrolibertarian Market Socialism
Still loved the LVT but embraced free markets and worker cooperatives. Started to read theory.

[[File:Geolibsoc.png]]Geolibertarian Socialism
Started to move away from austrian economics but still liked markets (regulated ones). Got really into philosophy, specifically Camus

[[File:Demcon.png]]Democratic Confederalism
Abandoned markets and started really liking Rojava. Really liked Chomsky.

[[File:Geomut.png]]Geomutualism
Embraced anarchism and moved back to markets.

[[File:Awaj.png]]Anarchism Without Adjectives
Still prefered Geomutualism but thought that we shouldn't force an economic system on people.

[[File:HelloThere314Icon.png]]HelloThere314ism
Got really into theory and philosophy. Started to prefer Egoist organization methods while developing my own opinions on a lot of topics. Now really likes Situationism.

Personality
They are very into mathematics and philosophy, going on annoyingly convoluted rants on both subjects as well as politics in excruciating detail. They are friendly with everyone on the Libertarian Left and Libertarian Center quadrants.

Relations

 * -| Ideologies/Philosophies=

Based

 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]Existentialist Anarchism - The Existentialist idea of choice is a great theory. Freedom is everything.
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism - Albert Camus is based. While I don't personally embrace [[File:AnSynd.png]]Anarcho Syndicalism you're great nonetheless.
 * [[File:Geomut.png]]Geomutualism - The best way to govern people. People should owe society for the land they occupy (just don't force people to use this framework.)
 * [[File:GeoSynd.png]]Geosyndicalism - The best way to do property.
 * [[File:Post-an.png]]Post-Anarchism - The moralism and structuralism found in classical anarchism has only harmed them. While you are a bit impractical I agree that Anarchism is a way of life.
 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Gender Accelerationism - Your analysis of gender is great. Also communism with respect to markets is awesome. Your dictatorship of the queer is a bit too marxist but your based nonetheless.
 * [[File:Cybermut.png]]Cybermutualism - Probably the best economy we could work under. Also digital economies allow for far more decentralization and competition; based!
 * [[File:Polyarchy.png]]Polyarchy - Any form of governance that is not completely consensual is tyranny.
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism - Spectacle is pervasive in every part of modern life. Just stop kissing up to [[File:Ormarxf.png]]Him

Fine

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Pre-Communalism Bookchin - HOLY SHIT Bookchin used to have some based opinions. Your view of individual spontaneity sounded like [[File:Egocom.png]]Egocom opinions. Plus, you used to be a [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist! Really wish you stuck with this instead of that anti-lifestyle BS. Still has problems though, you focus too much on classes and not on the individual. Still very based.

Meh

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Bookchin Communalism - Your view of a future society is very based but your generall dogma and hatred of [[File:Anin.png]]Anarcho Individualism and [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism cannot be ignored

Cringe

 * -| Self-Inserts=

Based

 * [[File:Anbun.png]]Anarcho-Buniism - Fellow [[File:Camus.png]]Camus fan and [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Leftist leftist. Just stop with the Kantianism.
 * [[File:Bsaheedism-icon.png]]Bsaheedism - Based [[File:Mutalist.png]]Mutualist and [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Leftist leftist. Just cut back on the [[File:Nihil.png]]Nihilism and embrace [[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism
 * [[File:Liblovsprite.png]]Liberty-Loverism - Shares my views on most things, just a few hiccups here and there.
 * [[File:Councilguy2.png]]Post-Councilism - Bit iffy on the [[File:Nihil.png]]Nihilism but besides that you are very based. Fellow [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism lover.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]]Ultroneism - [[File:Ego.png]]Egoism is based. Bit too [[File:Indiv.png]]individualist for my taste.
 * [[File:Annilfemalev5.png]]AshleyHere Thought - Fellow [[File:Camus.png]]Camus lover and post leftist and anarchist, very based.
 * [[File:ChronicFemcel-newicon.png]]ChronicFemcel Thought - Based individualist.
 * [[File:PostChronic.png]]Post-ChronicFemcelism - Now a [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist, even more based!
 * [[File:TipuiSmall.png]]Tipism - Another based [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist!

Fine

 * [[File:Yoda8soup.png]]Yoda8soup Thought - Bit too moderate and statist as well as having some bad economic and organization takes. Needs to get into philosophy and read some theory. Overall fine.
 * [[File:AbEntball.png]]Absolute Entertainism - My problems with [[File:Annilfemalev5.png]]AshleyHere took up to 11. Still seems cool just way to hedonic.

Meh

 * [[File:NewTony.png]]Tony567 Thought - Reminds me of me a when I was a [[File:Georgist.png]]Georgist. Too economically right and far too statist.
 * [[File:MattBall1.png]]Mattism - Also reminds me of me when i was a [[File:Georgist.png]]Georgist. Way to moderate and statist.
 * [[File:NeoAlphadonialism.png]]Neo Alphadonialism - Insanely incoherent. It seems like they just steal ideas from others without understanding them in the slightest. Needs to do their own research. Has potential once/if they start to understand things, also a nice person from what I can tell.

[[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus[[File:Absurd.png]]

 * [[File:Absurd.png]]The Myth of Sisyphus: And Other Essays
 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]The Rebel
 * [[File:Humanismpix.png]]Resistance, Rebellion, And Death

[[File:Sartre.png]]John Paul Sartre

 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]Existentialism Is A Humanism

[[File:ExistFem.png]]Simone De Beauvoir

 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]The Ethics Of Ambiguity

[[File:Nietzsche-icon.png]]Friedrich Nietzsche

 * [[File:Nietzsche-icon.png]]Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord[[File:Councom.png]]

 * [[File:Situ.png]]Society Of The Spectacle

[[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner

 * [[File:Ego.png]]The Ego And Its Own

[[File:Ego-Existential.png]]Herbert Read

 * [[File:Ego-Existential.png]]Existentialism, Marxism and Anarchism

[[File:Egocom.png]]Emma Goldman[[File:Anfem.png]]

 * [[File:Egocom.png]]Anarchism And Other Essays

[[File:Anpostleft.png]]Bob Black[[File:Antwork.png]]

 * [[File:Antwork.png]]The Abolition Of Work
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Imputationism
 * [[File:GenderNihil.png]]My Preferred Gender Pronoun Is Negation

[[File:Republicanismpix.png]]Jean-Jacques Rousseau[[File:Radlib.png]]

 * [[File:Republicanismpix.png]]The Social Contract

[[File:GeoSynd.png]]William Schmack

 * [[File:GeoSynd.png]]Geo-syndicalism

[[File:Bckchn.png]]Murray Bookchin

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Post-Scarcity Anarchism
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]From Spectacle To Empowerment

[[File:Demcon.png]]Abdullah Öcalan

 * [[File:Demcon.png]]Democratic Confederalism

[[File:Chom.png]]Noam Chomsky[[File:AnSynd.png]]

 * [[File:AnSynd.png]]On Anarchism

[[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Vikky Storm and Eme Flores[[File:Xenofeminism.png]]

 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
 * [[File:Awaj.png]]It’s Time For “Mad Anarchism”

[[File:Anqueer.png]]Alyson Escalante[[File:Postfem.png]]

 * [[File:GenderNihil.png]]Gender Nihilism: An Anti-Manifesto

[[File:Steinval.png]]Peter Vallentyne

 * [[File:Steinval.png]]Left-Libertarianism: A Primer
 * [[File:Steinval.png]]Left-Libertarianism as a Promising Form of Liberal Egalitarianism

[[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Oscar Wilde

 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]The Soul Of Man Under Socialism

[[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves![[File:Postsitu.png]]

 * [[File:Egocom.png]]The Right To Be Greedy

[[File:Monkeyzz-Enlightenment.png]]Philosophy

 * [[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus - The Myth Of Sisyphus
 * [[File:Sartre.png]]John Paul Sartre - Existentialism Is A Humanism
 * [[File:ExistFem.png]]Simone De Beauvoir - The Ethics Of Ambiguity

[[File:Awaj.png]]Anarchism

 * [[File:AnSynd.png]]Noam Chomsky - On Anarchism
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]Emma Goldman - Anarchism And Other Essays

[[File:Ego.png]]Egoism

 * [[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner - The Ego And Its Own
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves! - The Right To Be Greedy

[[File:Soc-h.png]]Socialism

 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Oscar Wilde - The Soul Of Man Under Socialism

[[File:Anqueer.png]]Gender/Queer[[File:Anfem.png]]

 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Vikky Storm and Eme Flores - Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
 * [[File:GenderNihil.png]]Alyson Escalante - Gender Nihilism: An Anti-Manifesto

Youtube Channels

 * [[File:Neomarx.png]]Tom Nicholas
 * [[File:Monkeyzz-Enlightenment.png]]Sisyphus 55
 * [[File:Libms.png]]Then & Now
 * [[File:GeoSoc.png]]Unlearning Economics
 * [[File:Georgist.png]]BritMonkey
 * [[File:Awaj.png]]Great Anarchists
 * [[File:Libsoc.png]]YourBoiMason
 * [[File:Monkeyzz-Enlightenment.png]]Eternalised

[[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner

 * [[File:Ego-nihil.png]]"All things are nothing to me."
 * [[File:Ego.png]]"I love men too - not merely individuals, but every one. But I love them with the consciousness of egoism; I love them because love makes me happy, I love them because loving is natural to me, because it pleases me. I know no commandment of love."
 * [[File:Illeg.png]]"The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime."

[[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus

 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion."
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]"You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of. You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life."

[[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord

 * [[File:Situ.png]]"In our society now, we prefer to see ourselves living than living."

[[File:Anpostleft.png]]Bob Black

 * [[File:Antwork.png]]"Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world."
 * [[File:Antwork.png]]"Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced"

Comments

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 * - “dogmatic Egoism” - hmmm how strange, I wonder if you gartered this opinion from actually reading Stirner (which you say you are currently doing - albeit a terrible translation). If so I really must have penetrated in the very depths of Stirner’s very mind to find his Socratic Ethics, His Baurian Critique of Religion, his concept of the Gaze which he time traveled to read from Sartre and above all his Debate with Zizek. Otherwise you would have failed to notice my idiosyncratic philosophy that is influenced by Stirner - and if being original is dogmatic than any thinker is - let alone someone who follows doctrines of pre-built political ideology such as an Anarchist like yourself.
 * [[File:HelloThere314Icon.png]]HelloThere314 - Fair enough. You are right that every ideology and even every principle is in some way dogmatic; dogmatic was probably the wrong word. I meant more that your full commitment to individualism is a bit short sighted. Egoism is nihilistic however with this realization it turns to oneself. This self and its needs and wants can be just as corrupting and authoritative as any outside authority. There is authority everywhere, everything is authoritative. That is what I meant by egoism being short sighted. However the ego is in many ways separate to these desires and only satisfying what it believes will fulfill it the most. I will change my comment. Sorry, feel like an idiot.
 * - "I meant more that your full commitment to individualism is a bit short sighted." In what way? That I regard Individuals as themselves, as autonomous while still a part of their social and historical environment. Or perhaps because I don't lessen myself before the sacred of humanity, or the community like a religious slave. If I am too individualist, you are nothing but a collectivist that wishes to actualise me into shoulds and oughts. "Egoism is nihilistic" No it is not. Please do not fall into the Nihilism as Egoism trap that so many anarchist writers have please. "This self and its needs and wants can be just as corrupting and authoritative as any outside authority." Yes - which is why Stirner has already beaten you to your own criticism, "Oh if only Stirner had realised that the self can be itself possessed he would have never have written his work" - except that Stirner spoke about a one-sided narrow egoism of say the greedy or hedonistic man that lets himself get carried away by his own desires and instead keeps an ironic distance from himself in a "self-forgetfullness" - See the sacred externally forced idea can be killed and destroyed - but the internal idea can be dropped and left.  Last point - you say that you differ from Egoists on the contention of Solidarity within the Union of Egoists, and yet once again Stirner has beaten you to the ball game "is a union in which most of those involved are hoodwinked about their most natural and obvious interests, a union of egoists? Have "egoists" come together where one is the slave or serf of the other? There are, it's true, egoists in such a society, and in this sense, it might in some aspects be called an "egoistic union"; but the slaves have not really sought this society from egoism, and are instead, in their egoistic hearts, against these lovely "unions," as Hess calls them"." Stirner's Critics. Which is to say that unless everyone forming the Union wants to be there, and agrees for mutual interest i.e. Solidarity between them - then it cannot be called a Union of Egoists - it is instead an involuntary and inautonomous society.
 * [[File:HelloThere314Icon.png]]HelloThere314 - Again I do differ from egoism in that regard. I merely think that solidarity is the best way to form a sustainable collective. This could be left at anytime and is only what I prefer. If you or stirner do not consider these to be "proper" unions of egoists so be it. I act in my own self interest as I enjoy working in a collective. It is an active decision I am making and not forced by some outside authority. I would not force you to join it if you do not wish to. Also stirner is a nihilist he literally said "I have set my cause on nothing" and "all things are nothing to me". Egoism isn't necessary nihilistic but stirner is. Also yes stirner has beat me to the corrupting of the self by desires. I read that passage two days ago. I was just laying out what I meant in the moment, I do not believe them now. Also I am not a filthy collectivist, you can do as you please, I merely like acting in a collective fashion.
 * - "Again I do differ from egoism in that regard." No I'm saying you don't differ - you are arguing what Stirner argued and then saying you are different. Stirner does argue for solidarity. "Also stirner is a nihilist he literally said "I have set my cause on nothing" and "all things are nothing to me"." Wrong - The quote "I Have Based My Affair on Nothing" is the same quote as  "all things are nothing to me" (which is a bad translation) as is taken from Goethe the German Romantic Poet who Stirner was influenced by. The Quote is actually a basis of I have based my affair on nothing, nothing but myself - Stirner says "The sultan has based his affair on nothing but himself...God and humanity have based their affair on nothing, on nothing but themselves. I likewise base my affair on myself, this I who just like God am the nothing of all others, this I who am my all, this I who am the Unique." That is to say that Stirner's Nothing is himself - which is a nothing... a Creative Nothing. A non-concept, non-category, and non-thing. It is to say that the word Unique and Creative-Nothing is nothing other than a word which is made up of the content which I am, and that content is a nothing, it is not a concept such as individual or human it is me - which changes and negates itself in each moment, being a nothing. A negative space for creation. It is Nominalist and Hegelian, Not Nihilist. Stirner is not a Nihilist - for he also values life, meaning, and self-creation.  "Also I am not a filthy collectivist, you can do as you please, I merely like acting in a collective fashion." If I am TOO Individualist, then to me, you are TOO Collectivist. You wish to value things above each individual - a sacred external cause that has no relation to the Individuals that are a part of it. A Seperate, external, and oppositional conscious to their self-consciousness. Nothing more than a Religious fellow with their sacred cause - But I have based my affair on nothing, nothing but myself and my own cause.
 * [[File:HelloThere314Icon.png]]HelloThere314 - Fair enough, after reading up on it I don't have the best translation out their also yes by that stirner is not a nihilist. Also when I say you are too individualistic for my taste that is only my own individual opinion on how I'd like to live my life. That may be different then yours and that is fine to me. Stirner's critique of sacred causes is very based, I personally find myself most happy and fulfilled in a collective environment. You may say that that itself is a sacred cause but if I find myself happiest their then that's where I would like to be. My cause aligns with a sacred cause and to me that is fine. So yes I can be to collectivist to you and you could be to individualist for me. Also yes me and stirner don't seem to differ on solidarity wich is fine and based.
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