.dotdotdotsam Thought

.dotdotdotsam Thought is a Pan-Hispanic Marxist-Leninist ideology that represents the current views of user .dotdotdotsam. As a Pan-Hispanic, he advocates for a Latin America united under a federation of socialist republics in order to ensure sovereignty against Amerikan imperialism. As a Marxist-Leninist, he advocates for armed struggle in the form of a revolutionary vanguard in order to build that federation of republics. He ultimately wishes for a Latin America that is not only sovereign but progressive, democratic, secular, patriotic, republican, technologically advanced, and up to par with a historic socialist power like the USSR.

Taking inspiration from Chile's Cybersyn, he desires a distributed decision support system to assist in the management of the national economy (cybernetic socialism). He views the USSR's failure to computerize the economy under OGAS as a great mistake that should be avoided in the future, and thus advocates for a computerized economy in Latin America. Although he understands that economic planning is not always possible (see modern Cuba and their form of market socialism), he believes that the material conditions for a planned economy must be created as soon as possible.

Additionally, he is culturally revolutionary and believes in surpassing reactionary cultural trends. Although he is not opposed to preserving harmless traditions for cultural reasons, he is opposed to the preservation of harmful traditions such as, for example, bullfighting and homophobia. He is a firm advocate of revolutionary feminism and LGBT rights, as they often bear the brunt of these harmful traditions.

=Beliefs=

On currency
Once again established by Paul Cockshott (and even Karl Marx himself), a system of non-circulating labor credits could be very beneficial under the right conditions of economic and material development. Marx takes the circulation of commodities to be the exchange of commodities for money and money for other commodities. He depicts this as C-M-C’, where C-C’ represents both a change in the form of the commodity and, as is implied by the commodity as capital, an increase in value. He sees the circulation of commodities as facilitated by the circulation of money as capital. A system of non-circulating labor vouchers could very well be the solution for this.

With non-circulating labor credits, people would be credited with hours worked rather than money at the end of the week, and payments for goods and services would also be in terms of time; essentially, you would pay for a garment that took two hours to make with two hours of your own labor-time. This is essentially a monetary system based on time rather than arbitrary currency units such as pounds, dollars, or euros, for example. Although the manner in which these labor credits can be tracked is, of course, dependent on material resources available, when the conditions are right the method in which these labor credits can be tracked will be as follows:

"Nowadays one need not think in terms of paper certificates of work done. Instead we can envisage the use of some form of labour credit card which keeps track of how much work you have done. Deductions from your social labour credit account could be made by filling in a slip, or using a direct debit terminal." 

Political Journey
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Religion and Cultural Expression
Cyberleninism believes that one of the greatest faults of 20th century socialism was state-mandated atheism and religious purges. It believes that religion will always exist and that it cannot be forcibly removed from society, as much as one would like. Instead of destroying religious institutions, banning religious texts, and organizing atheist gangs to harm ordinary religious people, it believes in cooperation with religious institutions to promote socialist values for the religious as religions typically have many core values that are compatible with socialism (the golden rule, caring for the poor and less fortunate, love your neighbor, etc).

On Feminism
It must be noted that ever since the emergence of private property and class society, the mother right was abolished thus leading to the emergence of patriarchy in human societies. Capitalism, along with reinforcing racism, reinforces prejudice against women. They began being treated as essentially property by men, and although they are often not officially "property" in modern times, are still seen as lower than men by many men (and even some women). Socialists, communists, and Marxists of any kind must oppose this kind of reactionary bourgeois mentality, as it is rooted in class society. There are some deviationists in the left, typically the so-called "patriotic socialists" (a social chauvinist, petty-opportunist, and settler-apologist revisionist strain of "Marxism-Leninism") that oppose feminism as they have their own chauvinism and misogyny intact, using distortions of Marxism to legitimize their bigotry. This brand of rightist "communism" is, in reality, more resemblant of fascism than anything else and must be strongly opposed by Marxists of any kind. The contribution of women to the current stage of civilization and society cannot be overlooked. Women, in their socially-constructed (and sexist) role as "homemakers", have arguably made greater contributions to society than even men have. However, they are often not recognized for it due to the fact that childbearing and the responsibilities of motherhood go unpaid while the traditional role of the father, that is to obtain a well-paying job to provide food and shelter for his children, is paid and therefore concretely measurable in terms of currency. The nuclear family is an artificial concept that has its origins in the emergence of class society and private property, and is one that is inherently patriarchal and discriminatory towards women, assigning them tasks that are arguably more difficult than the ones of men (tasks which, again, are unpaid).

To add to this, capitalism-induced misogyny has created a reactionary culture to support it, as that is the superstructure in support of capital - a reactionary one. Rape and sexual aggression towards women has become pervasive in bourgeois culture, leading to the overwhelming majority of women feeling unsafe by themselves at night, being catcalled and inappropriately hit on by men, and occasionally even sexually assaulted. Statistics have shown that nearly 81% of women have experienced sexual harassment of some kind; it all begins with treating women as subordinate to men, rather than actors fully capable of doing anything a man can. Reactionaries and misogynists may use "biological" or "natural" arguments to provide a rationalization of their bigotry and male chauvinism, but these arguments are in all forms misguided. Sure, it is a biological fact that men are (usually) physically stronger and bulkier than women, but these biological differences have become practically irrelevant in modern day times due to the technology that has been developed over the course of history - put simply, with modern technology, there is practically nothing that women cannot do in comparison to their male "counterparts". These differences were only relevant in primitive times where the natural division of labor existed, but in class society the social division of labor has been established thus making those biological differences an unnecessary thing to bring up when speaking of the relationship between women and men in the modern day.

Stance on LGBT rights and the Rise of Transphobia within Marxists
I find that there is little reason to argue about the existence of a group of people who, if not improve it, do no wrong to society by simply being themselves and I do not plan to entertain the liberal notion of a "trans debate". Their existence is nothing to debate. The "gender binary" is an unscientific, idealist conception of gender that is rotten at the core with bigotry, intolerance, and the filth of reaction. Transphobia from reactionaries, conservatives, and outright fascists are not unexpected and completely typical of their bigoted and intolerant nature, but what is indeed concerning and upsetting is the rise of transphobia within communities of those who call themselves "socialists" or even "Marxists". With most reactionaries, there is nothing to debate in good faith and there are no minds to change; they deserve nothing more than the swift strike of a bludgeon across the upper jaw. However, for certain Marxists, I believe that there *can* be discussion about these things in good faith, as this transphobia could simply be a piece of idealism that they have not yet deprogrammed from (although this is not the case for all of these "Marxists" as many may simply be bigots attempting to conceal themselves within left-seeming rhetoric). Let us address these "Marxist criticisms" of trans existence below:

A claim I hear often regurgitated from self-proclaimed "Marxists" is the claim that transness is "idealist" and that it is not based in the materialist understanding of human development. This is ridiculous. Although perhaps appealing to those who are beginners to Marxist theory, it suggests a rugged mechanical materialist understanding of trans existence. This claim is contrary to the form of materialism that Marx puts forward, which is dialectical materialism. Through the dialectical process we can begin mapping out the process in which an individual commits a change in gender, which is spawned first, as in all existing phenomena, by a contradiction. The specifics of this contradiction may differ from person to person. An example of this can be that there is a contradiction between the individual's physical body and their view of themselves, which is conditioned by capitalist media to be that they can only be either a man or a woman and that this view must be in line with their reproductive organs. As ideas and thoughts, which are sparked by the contradictions that emerge out of material and immaterial things, begin to manifest themselves into reality by way of practice, it is indeed possible to change one's gender. Gender cannot be understood as simply "what's in your pants", it must be understood in this sense as a series of sociological norms that are associated with sex, which can be understood as the categories of male, female, and intersex determined by the biological composition of those beings. Thus, gender can be understood as a product of social constructions while sex can be understood as a biological reality. By stating that a trans woman is a woman I am not stating that an individual with XY chromosomes suddenly changed into an individual with XX chromosomes, I am stating that an individual who once associated herself with masculinity now primarily associates herself with femininity and womanhood.

There are more pernicious myths spread about trans people that are, frankly, tiring to address every single one. There are conspiracy theories that "trans people are dangerous" and that trans women are men who wish to assault women in bathrooms, but this is built upon a complete misunderstanding of trans people in their entirety. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that transgender people pose a violent crime risk; if anything, it is far more likely that they will be the victims of violence. According to a report from the UCLA School of Law, 68% of trans people reported experiencing at least one instance of verbal harassment in gender-segregated public restrooms, while 9% had been physically assaulted at least once in gendered bathrooms. Too many times do I see appeals to "freedom of speech" from liberals; our priority should be assisting trans comrades in the struggle against harassment and violence, not "protecting" bigots from them.

Sex Work
I am not against pornographic content in general, however, I am against the porn industry. If a lonely individual decides to watch some porn or a couple decides to make some in a voluntary manner, that is up to them. However, any attempt to employ sex workers will be made illegal. Prostitution rackets, the porn industry, strip clubs, etc provide dehumanizing and dehumanizing jobs to women; it is the epitome of capitalist alienation, with these women forced to undress themselves and commit sexual acts only for the sake of earning enough to pay off needs that should be free anyways. Sex work is rape by capital. However, I must clarify that I am not "against" sex workers or see them as whores and whatnot, as many sex workers are in the position they are because of capitalist wage-labor and obviously must do what they have to do to make a living. They are fully deserving of our respect in that regard. However, I believe that in a socialist society these jobs should not be necessary. Pimps, drug dealers, and landlords are all nothing but schemers and should be treated as such - with imprisonment.

How to Draw
A few steps:
 * 1) Draw a ball with a black outline.
 * 2) Draw a line in a slightly dull shade of red diagonally through the ball.
 * 3) Fill the space below with the same color and the space above with a slightly-dark blue.
 * 4) Add the eyes.
 * 5) Place a square hammer and sickle below the eyes.

Short Writings
A common tactic by the modern bourgeoisie is to resort to Malthusianism as a solution to climate change, that is, to place blame on human population growth instead of their own imperialist tactics. Backed by bourgeois scientists and bourgeois politicians, it argues that Thomas Malthus, the 18th century cleric himself, was correct to assume that the inevitable growth of the human species will lead to great ruin. Moreover, they say, we have now reached this level of ruin! Their solution is population control, a mystification of the real problem with its premise being that population growth is an absolute driving consumption and destruction of the planet. Any Marxist, or any human being with intelligence in general, worth their time will dismiss this conclusion as demonstrably false. We must ask ourselves, what has driven this population growth? Have humans suddenly decided to fuck more often without protection? No. This population growth has grown due to the development of the productive forces within capitalism. In short, capitalism has been the reason why this population growth occurred.
 * -|Malthusianism is Eco-Fascism=

As capital continually expands at an increased rate, it requires an ever-increasing pool of human labor to exploit, as capitalism necessitates exploitation due to the tendency for the rate of profit to fall, which is caused by the competition between capitalists to expand productive capacity while the productive forces continually expand. The reality that we face today has been enforced through class exploitation, which is evident in the oppressed nations of the world where miniscule wages force families to rely upon the wages of their children (child labor) for survival. The Malthusian notion that population growth drives overconsumption is pure fiction, world-building on a level that only liberals can reproduce. Purchasing power drives excess consumption; in their personal consumption alone, the richest one-percent are responsible for double the emissions of the poorest fifty-percent! By understanding this, we can begin to understand population control as an imperialist weapon that is propagated in discourse that is created by the bourgeoisie through their monopoly on media, as we must remember how in a capitalist society the capitalist class controls the popular media in their favor. The overwhelming majority of growth in the human population is concentrated in the oppressed world, utterly unable to resolve any contradictions which give rise to such growth. Population control theory is nothing but the attempted legitimization of genocide; even if such measures were to somehow be implemented peacefully, the real crisis in population demographics (that we have an increasingly elder population) would ensure the collapse in production as those capable of laboring to the pace of capital’s dictatorship decline in number relative to the rest of the population. Simply put, MALTHUSIANISM BIRTHS ECOFASCISM.


 * -|A La Guillotine!=

“Like everything else in the world, the revolutionary-democratic dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry has a past and a future. Its past is autocracy, serfdom, monarchy, and privilege....Its future is the struggle against private property, the struggle of the wage-worker against the employer, the struggle for socialism....”

The Monarchy - whether it be British, Spanish, Swedish, or Danish - is a reactionary institution, it can only be understood in the present day as a weapon of capitalism. Most of the monarchies of the world, particularly the European, were swept away following the uprisings that preceded the Industrial Revolution. The emerging power of bankers and merchants (the bourgeoisie) began a struggle for power, deadly in France, with these monarchies. In the French Revolution, the emerging bourgeoisie superseded the decaying French monarchy as it had become a hindrance to their interests. The bourgeois-democratic republic that came after the monarchy emerged as the result of the violent struggle - now, the God-given right to rule had been superseded by the God-given right to capital. Since in capitalism, capital is essentially means to rule, it must be understood that any changes since those bourgeois-democratic revolutions have been mainly marginal. The bourgeoisie decided that it could actually be useful to keep those lovely stuffed animals that decorate Buckingham Palace today; meanwhile, as a token of good will they fill up their royal pets’ pockets with profits robbed from the workers they exploited! The monarchy is by definition uninterested in democracy, peace, and socialism, and by necessity uninterested also in changes to the status quo. For the ruling class, the royals are a most powerful, regal, majestic, and noble friend; for those who wish to change society, it is a vicious, cruel, and wicked adversary whose tendrils corrode the blackest of hearts. The monarchy is used to empower the concept of "national unity", exploited as national heritage. Millions upon millions of pounds are made every year from tourists who wish to glance at the royal gold and ivory that stolen from the African continent - brutal colonialism that has not been undone after centuries.

The liars and hypocrites that comprise the bourgeoisie will continue to hoodwink the dull-witted and blind with talk of "equality" and "freedom", of so-called "peace" that is built off the back of slave labor from India, from Egypt, from Ghana, from Nigeria, from Kenya, and from many more oppressed nations around the world today. Equality between what class and what other class? Freedom from what yoke, or from the yoke of what class? These are the questions that the supporters of monarchy cannot answer, as they would expose themselves for what they truly are - a wolf in the clothing of a sheep who is in service to the interests of aristocracy and capital! Enlightenment, civilization, liberty - these are the pompous phrases that decorate the realities of the grotesquely coarse, filthy laws they pass that crush the power of workers, that treat the woman as an inferior being, that fundamentally work to oppress! Down with this despicable, odious, and revolting fraud! Down with monarchy, forward to socialism on Earth!

The electronic jungle that is modern-day capitalism has brought about new material conditions for Marxists today to deal with. When we see the United States of Amerika and its puppet states like "Israel" as the cesspools of violence they are, only then can we begin thinking in a manner that is truly. Even in the most democratic of the bourgeois republics, rights for the proletarians on which they leech so strongly off of have not been secured. This is not a failure of the system or a failure of democracy, it must be understood that this is its natural conclusion; any attempt at creating capitalist power structures on a scale as large as the Earth will create these inequalities. Billions have been murdered, denied care, raped, exploited, and ruined at the hands of imperialism, and imperialism has been the defining political force of our epoch. Violence from the individual is considered criminal, while violence from the capitalist state is considered heroic; by internalizing these mentalities, we are, in a word, fucked.
 * -|Forward!=

We demand one thing: the future; we will go in a singular direction: forward! The recent rise of Infrared and "MAGA communism"/"Ron Paul Maoism" (whatever these idiotic manlets like to call themselves) has been accompanied by the praise of fascists, reactionaries, and the useful idiots that accompany and praise their every move. The "critical support" of communists to a class enemy such as Donald Trump is not a position that can be taken by anyone who calls themselves a Marxist in any way; the nerve these idiots have to call themselves "Marxists" is absolutely astonishing.
 * -|Right-Wing "Communism": An Infantile Disorder=

Music
- Dean Blunt (avant-garde) - Brian Eno (ambient) - Vegyn (electronic) - Tirzah (electronic) - Sigur Rós (post-rock) - Víctor Jara (folk) - Ariel Pink (pop) - Björk (pop) - FKA twigs (pop/electronic) - oli xl (electronic) - William Basinski (minimalism) - AG Cook (electronic) - Squarepusher (electronic) - Les Rallizes Dénudés (rock) - Aphex Twin (electronic) - Stereolab (rock) - Arca (electronic) - Ryuichi Sakamoto (composition) - Ecco2k (electronic/hip hop) - Psychic TV (industrial) - Babyxsosa (hip hop) - Alice Glass (electronic) - Kraftwerk (electronic) - Burial (electronic) - Daniel Johnston (avant garde) - Destroy Lonely (hip hop) - Sweet Trip (electronic/rock) - The Cleaners From Venus (rock) - Tim Hecker (ambient) - Kelly Lee Owens (electronic) - Frank Ocean (pop/electronic) - JPEGMAFIA (hip hop)

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 * [[File:Neokira2.png]] Neo-Kiraism - add me, fellow futurist communist
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure !
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 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - done, add me back?
 * [[File:LeninisBasedsmall.png]] CanadianCommunist - yo add me comrade
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - of course. could you add me back on yours?
 * [[File:LeninisBasedsmall.png]] CanadianCommunist - will do once I finish some stuff with much page
 * [[File:pixil-frame-0(38).png]] Neo-Majapahitism - add me
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - doing it right now
 * [[File:Neolenicon.png]] Neo-Leninism - add4add? we share a lot in common.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure! just remember to add me back on yours
 * - Want me to draw you a new portrait friend?? :)
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - YES, PLEASE !!! i've been struggling so hard trying to come up w smth good lol
 * - what do you want in the portrait?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - i'm thinking some kind of retrofuturist scifi utopia type of background behind the main ball, also the hammer and sickle has to be the squareish one thats shown in the original image. also it would b cool if the ball was holding some kind of technology accessory, but thats optional its not a big deal lol. other than that, ur free to have at it
 * - Do u have discord or some other social media' it'd be easier to communicate throug there, if that's not a problem for u, all my socials are on my user page
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure, i dont ever use discord but its slendertesticle420#2402 (dont mind the username i made it when i was a child lmao)
 * [[File:Jefsynd.png]] Jefbol Thought - add me?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - u got it
 * - Add me back comrade.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure! i appreciate the criticism btw
 * - can you put four icons that represent you in my comments so I can add you, comrade? :)
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - ofc ofc
 * [[File:PosadasComrade.png]] PosadasComrade Add me?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure, add me back
 * - Communist egoism is not a governmental system it is rather a philosophy. "Without a strong state and (some) bureaucracy, how will you defend yourself from the Amerikan army?" I'm not at all against a strong military if it's necessary to fight against imperialism. You can have an efficient military without a having a strictly centralized authoritarian state. And I'm not against bureaucracy (in a weberian sense of the word).
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - I'm aware of the fact that communist egoism is not a governmental system, I'm simply saying that I doubt a governmental system founded upon ego-communist principles could successfully resist an invasion by the world's largest army. I'm also against a centralized authoritarian state, but I recognize that it may inevitably form in the aforementioned struggle against the world's largest military. We must recall a line from Lenin, "we must follow the rule: better fewer, but better."
 * - "governmental system founded upon ego-communist principles" I don't advocate for that and that doesn't even make sense. "I'm also against a centralized authoritarian state, but I recognize that it may inevitably form in the aforementioned struggle against the world's largest military." certainly because of foreign intervention some level of unexpected over-centralization and over-bureaucratization may happen but i'll simply repeat what i already said, you can have an efficient military without a having a strictly centralized authoritarian state.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - Actually, I'm reading your page to try to figure out what exactly it is you argue for and the more I read the more I realize how in accordance we are and how much of the argument that has occurred between us is provoked out of misunderstandings of your ideology. It makes me wonder where exactly this ego-communism finds its way into your political thought? You don't seem to mention it much on your page. Personally, I see egoism (and ego-communism by extension) to be nothing but a prong of garbage liberal analysis, but I'd like to understand your perspective. I've understood egocom as primarily some kind of ultra-individual communism, so how exactly does this breed of communism influence you?
 * - Yeah i guess were running in circles right here lmao. i havent really written on egoism on my page yet but my conception of egoism is deeply influenced by the group "for ourselves". They oppose narrow individualism which is probably what youre refering when u say "garbage liberal analysis". narrow individualism would be an individualism that doesnt recognize the dialectical relationship between individual and society and thus rejects the latter (neoliberal individualism is an example of that). they propose a communist egoism that recognizes that society is composed of individuals and individuals are shaped by society and thus embraces both (individual and society).
 * [[File:MLL.png]] Libra Thought - add me? (also I can’t add you until later today because my page is locked)
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - sure !
 * [[File:3way.png]] Brazilian Liberalism - Add me
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - will do
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 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - working on it rn
 * - You can read Rühle for my explanation for my point on the party.
 * - Plus my critique here comes from a far more libertarian marxist, communization, autonomist, etc stance.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - Fine, then I will adjust it as such. However, I still disagree with the ultraleft "libertarian Marxist" stance.
 * [[File:MrvLIT.png]] Mr. V Thought - Yo what did i find here. Very interesting. Add me. If you would like, I can add you.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - Sure, sure, I'll add you. And yes, I would like if you could add me as well that would b dope.
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - Add me?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - ofc ! Add me back?
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - do you have 4 icons I can use to represent your ideology?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - ([[file:Vanguardism.png]]/[[file:Cybercom.png]]/[[file:Ultraprogressivism.png]]/[[file:Leftnat.png]])
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - Some notes on you analysis: Tribunals like were formed in Catalonia are not a bad thing, if completely necessary, and I accept this, there'd be no reason to oppose the US, just stay neutral towards them (again, superpower lol), I don't think you can win in elections, I just think capitalism with a welfare state is a better environment in the meantime than the alternative, cultural revolution is kinda mid ngl (joke, I just don't think we should literally murder people that oppose our views), and I don't think Lenin's a tankie, he's got some pretty good ideas.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - Then what exactly is your issue with state socialism? Idk it just seems like running through hoops (insert quote from engels abt authority here lol). I agree that there is no reason to oppose the US and ideally we would want peaceful relations, but this is probably not going to happen as the US has violently opposed practically every socialist power (except for the ones who bowed down to them). Plus I also don't think we should murder people who we don't agree with, but that's not what cultural revolution is lol.
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - OK so my general issues with state socialism is that 1. I feel like it opposes the main values of socialism, AKA freedom of the worker, because it just creates a new upper class, that being the communist party, and 2. Ideally the goal is communism, right? So therefore anarchism is at least preferable because it gets to the end goal faster, ig the main issue you state socialists have with it is that you think it's naive, I guess I just disagree. I completely agree about the US, but I have a weird praxis style that I'll right about, so just give me a while to update my page (currently rewriting lol), and I honestly guess I misunderstood cultural revolution and should probably do more research.
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - BTW this is coming from a former state socialist (I was literally an ML that thought the state shouldn't dissolve), so I understand where you're coming from and I guess that's why I'm more open to left unity than most.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - The issue here is thinking "anarchism gets to communism quicker", it doesn't; the state is not this static, metaphysical thing that can just be abolished. There are (in a dialectical relationship) material conditions and ideological foundations upholding it that cannot be immediately abolished, and realistically it is a long process to completely do away with functions that uphold the state. That is what the proletarian state is for, it's designed for the intention of building communism and eventually doing away with the notions that uphold the state. Marx outlines this a bit in theCritique of the Gotha Programme. Adding on to that, calling yourself a "Marxist-Leninist" and believing that the state cannot be abolished is contradictory, as believing in the permanence of the state is part of a rugged metaphysical worldview that is not in line with Marxism.
 * [[File:O'Langism.png]] O'Langism - Oh, no I know that calling yourself a marxist leninist and not desiring the state to wither away is contradictory. I was a dumb middle schooler lol.
 * [[File:Brazlib.png]] Brazilian Liberalism - Add [[File:BrazProg.png]] Brazilian Progressivism?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - there's not that much of a difference between your ideology and the other one but sure
 * [[File:PosadasComrade.png]] PosadasComrade Can you update my relation
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - yep
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 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - Added u, add me back on yours?
 * - Thanks, and sure thing
 * [[File:Tsumugikotobuki8814ism.png]] MugiKotobuki8814ism - add me, I already added you
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - okay
 * [[File:Esopinochet.png]] Mr Whooper Manism - Cringe add me.
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - add me on yours
 * [[File:Esopinochet.png]] Mr Whooper Manism - Done
 * [[File:Glencoe.png]] Glencoe- add me
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - ofc ofc, get me on yours too
 * [[File:Glencoe.png]] Glencoe- To clear somethings up: While I do prefer Fast Pace Reform I am willing to do a revolution if that fails and how am I religious?
 * [[File:Cyblen-icon.png]] Cyberleninism - oh oh sorry I misread your religious views section lol I'll remove the "religious" comment, but other than that everything I said pretty much still stands