HelloThere314ism

HelloThere314ism also known as HelloThere314 Thought is a philosophy and political theory heavily influenced by Max Stirner and Albert Camus. Its main belief is the fundamental disunity of everything.

=Summery= Anarchism Egoism Socialism Anti-Economy Progressivism Philosophy
 * [[File:Anin.png]]Individualist Anarchism
 * [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Left Anarchism
 * [[File:Post-an.png]]Post-Anarchism
 * [[File:Meta-Anarchism.png]]Meta-Anarchism
 * [[File:Ego.png]]Egoistic Anarchism
 * [[File:EgoUnion.png]]Union Of Egoists
 * [[File:Self.png]]Ownness
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]Egoistic Collectivity
 * [[File:Marx.png]]Marxism
 * [[File:Neomarx.png]]Neo-Marxism
 * [[File:PostMarxism.png]]Post-Marxism
 * [[File:Žižekism.png]]Žižekism
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Post-Situationism
 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Individualist Socialism
 * [[File:Mutualist.png]]Mutualism
 * [[File:Fem.png]]Feminism
 * [[File:Postfem.png]]Postfeminism
 * [[File:Voidism_Small.png]]Metaphysical Incompleteness
 * [[File:Self.png]]Stirnerite Unique
 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]Existentialism
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism
 * [[File:Sartre.png]]Sartrian Phenomenology
 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]Existentialist Anarchism
 * [[File:Postmodernicon.png]]Post-Modernism
 * [[File:Poststruct.png]]Post-Structuralism
 * [[File:Solipsism.png]]Schopenhauerian Solipsism

=Influences=

Theorists

 * [[File:Tao.png]]Lao Tzu (571BC)
 * [[File:Diogenes.png]]Diogenes (323BC)
 * [[File:Philan.png]]William Godwin (1756-1836)
 * [[File:Ricardosoc.png]]David Ricardo (1772-1823)
 * [[File:DepressionMale.png]]Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
 * [[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner (1806-1856)
 * [[File:Mutualist.png]]Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809-1865)
 * [[File:Karl_Marx.png]]Karl Marx (1818-1883)
 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]Fyodor Dostoevsky (1821-1881)
 * [[File:Ancom.png]]Peter Kropotkin (1842-1921)
 * [[File:Georgist.png]]Henry George (1839-1897)
 * [[File:Nietzsche-icon.png]]Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
 * [[File:Egomut.png]]Benjamin R. Tucker (1854-1939)
 * [[File:Freud.png]]Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)
 * [[File:Awaj.png]]Voltairine De Cleyre (1866-1912)
 * [[File:Goldman.png]]Emma Goldman (1869-1940)
 * [[File:Illeg.png]]Renzo Novatore (1890-1922)
 * [[File:Ego-Existential.png]]Herbert Read (1893-1968)
 * [[File:Sartre.png]]Jean-Paul Sartre (1905-1980)
 * [[File:ExistFem.png]]Simone De Beauvoir (1908-1986)
 * [[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus (1913-1960)
 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Murray Bookchin (1921-2006)
 * [[File:Meta-Anarchism.png]]Gilles Deleuze (1925-1995)
 * [[File:Poststruct.png]]Michel Foucault (1926-1984)
 * [[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord (1931-1994)
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Raoul Vaneigem (1934-???)
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Jean-Pierre Voyer (1938-???)
 * [[File:Žižekism.png]]Slavoj Žižek (1949-???)
 * [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Bob Black (1951-???)
 * [[File:Postfem.png]]Judith Butler (1956-???)
 * [[File:Acidcomf.png]]Mark Fisher (1968-2017)
 * [[File:Post-an.png]]Saul Newman (1972-???)
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves: Council for Generalized Self-Management (1974)
 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Vikky Storm (???-???)

Groups/Movements

 * [[File:YngHeg.png]]Young Hegelians (1835-1846)
 * [[File:Frankfurt.png]]Frankfurt School (1923-)
 * [[File:Situationalistinternationalism-icon.png]]Situationist International (1957-1972)
 * [[File:Antwork.png]]Youth International Party (1967)
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves: Council for Generalized Self-Management (1974)

=Beliefs=

[[File:ConNil.png]]The Fundamental Disunity Of Existence
The world is fundamentally in a state of disunity. Any meaning, metanarrative, ideology, etc is a mere distraction to fill the human urge for unity, to have a framework to understand reality, confronted by the pure disorder of existence. The subsequent sections will be devoted to the many disorders found in existence.

[[File:Sartre.png]]The Unique And Sartrian Phenomenology[[File:Self.png]]
There is no apt way to describe the self. All labels we place on ourselves is fundamentally a describing act, made to place any sort of unity over the fundamental state of disorder known as the self. The self is unique, the creative nothing. This applies to all other things as all descriptions of any object are merely labels placed on it, only to put any sort of unity to the world. These labels are in a symbiotic relationship with the unique, for the unique cannot be recognized without these labels and the labels cannot exist without a unique to describe. While the unique is fundamentally without nature it can certainly be observed. Unlike what Husserl says one is not always conscious of consciousness. As Sartre rightly points out you can easily be conscious, even when perceiving details pertaining to oneself. For example as one talks about themself are they conscious of oneself. Or as I write am I conscious of myself, my existence? No, I may reference myself and my ideas but I am not actively perceiving myself. Or just as one goes about everyday activities are they conscious of themself? They are clearly conscious of the exterior world yet not conscious of themself. One is conscious without the consciousness of consciousness. This leads to the ego being generated merely out of conscious of it. Its being is simply constituted by itself. When one is not conscious of it it simply does not exist, the one disappears and becomes one. On other matters of the self, the self is not unified, instead it has a mere pseudo-unity. It merely holds the appearance of unity. The ego is a bundle of abstractions made by the interior desires and inherited human nature and the molding of the exterior world. Thus the ego itself is just a line created just to be able to function that separates the interior and exterior. When one references themself they are referencing the interior and exterior influences that constitute the ego. They are not unified but held together to function. They are only held together, only unified by consciousness of the self. This disorder of even the consciousness of this unique shows the pure disorder of the self.

[[File:Freud.png]]Lacanian Lack
There is a fundamental lack to humans. This is not due to any nature of the unique but out of a perception of disunity and a desire for unity out of the mere comfort of unity. This lack is found in everyday life, simply out of things like the pursuit of food, all the way to grand perceptions of meaning and ideology. While the larger facets of lack shall be analyzed in the subsequent sections the facets of lack that are far more simple, mostly everyday desires will be discussed here. Desire in all forms leaves one unsatisfied due to this lack. One can never be satisfied by desire for one must always desire, one is slave to desire. This lack of satisfaction from desire comes from this lack. One puts all of these things in this hole, may it be ideology, meaning, desires, but it always ends up short, never able to sway this insatiable hunger.

[[File:Absurd.png]]The Absurd
We, from Lacanian Lack, have a desire for meaning, some framework to understand are lives, yet the world offers none. The world is so without reason, so disunited, it creates a conflict between our desire for meaning and the lack of meaning in the world. While their prefered reaction to the absurd will be discussed in a further section, they view most of the perils of the world as a reaction to this absurdity. Again, further analysis of this will be in further sections. This absurdity constitutes literally everything in life, it is the fundamental disunity of human existence.

[[File:Postsitu.png]]Spectacle
Spectacle is the depersonalization and commodification of social life. This spectacle is inherently alienating and creates great pain. It is the extension of Marxist alienation to the entirety of society. They think that the Situationist International did a good job analysing spectacle, but they failed to consider if this Capitalist spectacle is just a facet of a generalized problem of society. "There is no society of the Spectacle, but rather a spectacle of society" - Jean-Pierre Voyer. Society is one of alienation from each other. We feel an inherent otherness that causes lack of communication. We are all oppressed by society, we are enslaved to it in all ways. One would think that we actively participate in society but we only view it. The spectacle is the way we distract ourselves from this alienation caused by all society. The spectacle in the modern sense, with its focus on looks instead of utility and blatant consumerist awfulness is only a form of the spectacle for our modern Capitalist world. It has existed in many forms throughout history, with the general theme being "bread and circuses." This spectacle is the fundamental disunity of anything social, any relation between the one and society. Its alienating forces constitute all of social relations.

[[File:AntiEconomy.png]]Anti-Economy
The economy is a pure idea. Economics is the ideology of the idea. Economics is the dominant theory of the world in a Marxist sense. Other social sciences are viewed as the conflict between diffrent theories while economics is viewed as a material science, getting progressively closer to truth. Just as sociology comprises theories about social activity, economics comprises theories about economic activity. Just like material sciences, and other social sciences, economics should never be put on a pedestal or it becomes a devolved religion. The economy is just like class or society, an economy is just a grouping of economic activity. Thus a theory grouping these into a science is an attack on ownness similar to Marxist class reductionism. What does this imply towards economic activity? Economic activity should thus be spontaneous, with those participating in economic action seeking it out of mutual self benefit, forming a instantanius Union Of Egoist. This could take the form of Gift Economic Activity, Mutualist Economic Activity, or bartering. They personally prefer Mutualist Economic Activity however reject any economic ideology ever taking hold, holding that it should always be spontaneous. This economy constitutes a pseudo-unity to material conditions and is the main disunity of such.

[[File:Žižekism.png]]Zizekian Critique Of Ideology
Just as there is a lack with meaning and the like, frameworks of understanding the political landscape are just as such. The landscape of everything political contains just as much disunity as everything else, one can only conceive of the utter depravity for so long, and thus ideologies form to make sense of it all. These ideologies must contain contradictions as any principle in politics is utterly disproved by the total disunity. Take Trump's Followers who claim that Mexicans are simultaneously will take their jobs and are too lazy to get a job. This contradiction is quite clear, however it still finds itself in all ideologies. Ideology is a distraction from the total disunity of anything political, putting goals and principles in to the lack to try desperately to secure a framework.

[[File:Poststruct.png]]Poststructuralism
They, following from their thesis of the total disunity of everything, suggest that structures, and groupings are illegitimate. They are fervently opposed to the modern custom of the endless classification of everything, seeing this as illegitimate. That being said they still find endeavors into science very useful, however oppose it being placed on a pedestal.

[[File:Postmodernicon.png]]Postmodernism
Any metanarrative or consistent set of societal principles and ideas are mere illusions. History is random and messy, it may have a logic in the Hegelian sense however this does not imply a set metanarrative that society will follow.

[[File:Postfem.png]]Postfeminism
Gender is not an inherent part of oneself. It is a mere collection of traits both physical and psychological that are socially constructed. There has been many diffrent gender systems throughout history. All of them are preformed, all just people fulfilling their assigned role in the sexual division of labor. Gender thus has no basis and should never be forced upon anyone.

[[File:Egophil.png]]Egoism
While the facets of their egoism, which is strongly influenced by Stirner, will be explored in the subsequent sections, first we must differentiate them from psychological and moral egoists. Moral egoism assumes that one should act egoistically, yet this damages the individual by assuming something one should do. Psychological egoism assumes that humans inherently act egoistically wich assumes an essence. As established previously they label no essense on anything, seeing everything as unique. Thus their egoism is a distinct form of egoism.

[[File:Ismism_Icon.png]]Other Opinions
These are just opinions that don't fit with the other sections.

Relations

 * -| Ideologies/Philosophies=

Based

 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]Existentialist Anarchism - The Existentialist idea of choice is a great theory. Freedom is everything.
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism - Albert Camus is based. While I don't personally embrace [[File:AnSynd.png]]Anarcho Syndicalism you're great nonetheless.
 * [[File:Geomut.png]]Geomutualism - The best way to govern people. People should owe society for the land they occupy (just don't force people to use this framework.)
 * [[File:GeoSynd.png]]Geosyndicalism - The best way to do property.
 * [[File:Post-an.png]]Post-Anarchism - The moralism and structuralism found in classical anarchism has only harmed them. While you are a bit impractical I agree that Anarchism is a way of life.
 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Gender Accelerationism - Your analysis of gender is great. Also communism with respect to markets is awesome. Your dictatorship of the queer is a bit too marxist but your based nonetheless.
 * [[File:Cybermut.png]]Cybermutualism - Probably the best economy we could work under. Also digital economies allow for far more decentralization and competition; based!
 * [[File:Polyarchy.png]]Polyarchy - Any form of governance that is not completely consensual is tyranny.
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism - Spectacle is pervasive in every part of modern life. Just stop kissing up to [[File:Ormarxf.png]]Him

Fine

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Pre-Communalism Bookchin - HOLY SHIT Bookchin used to have some based opinions. Your view of individual spontaneity sounded like [[File:Egocom.png]]Egocom opinions. Plus, you used to be a [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist! Really wish you stuck with this instead of that anti-lifestyle BS. Still has problems though, you focus too much on classes and not on the individual. Still very based.

Meh

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Bookchin Communalism - Your view of a future society is very based but your generall dogma and hatred of [[File:Anin.png]]Anarcho Individualism and [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism cannot be ignored

Cringe

 * -| Self-Inserts=

Based

 * [[File:Anbun.png]]Anarcho-Buniism - Fellow [[File:Camus.png]]Camus fan and [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Leftist leftist. Just stop with the Kantianism.
 * [[File:Bsaheedism-icon.png]]Bsaheedism - Based [[File:Mutalist.png]]Mutualist and [[File:Anpostleft.png]]Post-Leftist leftist. Just cut back on the [[File:Nihil.png]]Nihilism and embrace [[File:Absurd.png]]Absurdism
 * [[File:Liblovsprite.png]]Liberty-Loverism - Shares my views on most things, just a few hiccups here and there.
 * [[File:Councilguy2.png]]Post-Councilism - Bit iffy on the [[File:Nihil.png]]Nihilism but besides that you are very based. Fellow [[File:Situ.png]]Situationism lover.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]]Ultroneism - [[File:Ego.png]]Egoism is based. Bit too [[File:Indiv.png]]individualist for my taste.
 * [[File:Annilfemalev5.png]]AshleyHere Thought - Fellow [[File:Camus.png]]Camus lover and post leftist and anarchist, very based.
 * [[File:ChronicFemcel-newicon.png]]ChronicFemcel Thought - Based individualist.
 * [[File:PostChronic.png]]Post-ChronicFemcelism - Now a [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist, even more based!
 * [[File:TipuiSmall.png]]Tipism - Another based [[File:Situ.png]]Situationist!
 * [[File:NeoAlphadonialism.png]]Neo Alphadonialism - Getting much better, still seems to be a bit incoherent.

Fine

 * [[File:Yoda8soup.png]]Yoda8soup Thought - Bit too moderate and statist as well as having some bad economic and organization takes. Needs to get into philosophy and read some theory. Overall fine.
 * [[File:AbEntball.png]]Absolute Entertainism - My problems with [[File:Annilfemalev5.png]]AshleyHere took up to 11. Still seems cool just way to hedonic.

Meh

 * [[File:NewTony.png]]Tony567 Thought - Reminds me of me a when I was a [[File:Georgist.png]]Georgist. Too economically right and far too statist.
 * [[File:MattBall1.png]]Mattism - Also reminds me of me when i was a [[File:Georgist.png]]Georgist. Way to moderate and statist.

[[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Oscar Wilde

 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]The Soul Of Man Under Socialism

[[File:Situ.png]]Raoul Vaneigem[[File:Ego.png]]

 * [[File:Situ.png]]The Revolution Of Everyday Life

[[File:Sartre.png]]Jean-Paul Sartre

 * [[File:ExistMarx.png]]Search for a Method

[[File:Žižekism.png]]Slavoj Žižek

 * [[File:Žižekism.png]]The Sublime Object Of Ideology

[[File:Nova.png]]Renzo Novatore[[File:EgoNihil.png]]

 * [[File:EgoNihil.png]] Towards the Creative Nothing

[[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus[[File:Absurd.png]]

 * [[File:Absurd.png]]The Myth of Sisyphus: And Other Essays
 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]The Rebel
 * [[File:Humanismpix.png]]Resistance, Rebellion, And Death

[[File:Sartre.png]]John Paul Sartre

 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]Existentialism Is A Humanism
 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]The Transcendence Of The Ego: An Existentialist Theory Of Consciousness

[[File:ExistFem.png]]Simone De Beauvoir

 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]The Ethics Of Ambiguity

[[File:Nietzsche-icon.png]]Friedrich Nietzsche

 * [[File:Nietzsche-icon.png]]Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[[File:Socan2.png]]David Graeber[[File:Globnat.png]]

 * [[File:AntiEconomy.png]]Against Economics

[[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord[[File:Councom.png]]

 * [[File:Situ.png]]Society Of The Spectacle

[[File:Postsitu.png]]Jean-Pierre Voyer[[File:AntiEconomy.png]]

 * [[File:AntiEconomy.png]]The Economy is Only an Ideology in Marx’s Sense

[[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner

 * [[File:Ego.png]]The Ego And Its Own

[[File:Ego-Existential.png]]Herbert Read

 * [[File:Ego-Existential.png]]Existentialism, Marxism and Anarchism

[[File:Post-an.png]]Saul Newman

 * [[File:Post-an.png]]The Politics of Postanarchism

[[File:Egocom.png]]Emma Goldman[[File:Anfem.png]]

 * [[File:Egocom.png]]Anarchism And Other Essays

[[File:Egocom.png]]Matty Thomas

 * [[File:Egocom.png]]The Relevance Of Max Stirner To Anarcho-Communists

[[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves![[File:Postsitu.png]]

 * [[File:Egocom.png]]The Right To Be Greedy

[[File:Egomut.png]]Benjamin R. Tucker[[File:Anin.png]]

 * [[File:Ricardosoc.png]]Henry George And Interest

[[File:Anpostleft.png]]Bob Black[[File:Antwork.png]]

 * [[File:Antwork.png]]The Abolition Of Work
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Imputationism
 * [[File:Postfem.png]]My Preferred Gender Pronoun Is Negation

[[File:Postciv.png]]Strangers In a Tangled Wilderness

 * [[File:Postciv.png]]Post-Civ! A Brief Philosophical and Political Introduction to the Concept of Post-civilization
 * [[File:Postciv.png]]Post-Civ! A Deeper Exploration

[[File:Republicanismpix.png]]Jean-Jacques Rousseau[[File:Radlib.png]]

 * [[File:Republicanismpix.png]]The Social Contract

[[File:GeoSynd.png]]William Schmack

 * [[File:GeoSynd.png]]Geo-syndicalism

[[File:Bckchn.png]]Murray Bookchin

 * [[File:Bckchn.png]]Post-Scarcity Anarchism
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]From Spectacle To Empowerment

[[File:Demcon.png]]Abdullah Öcalan

 * [[File:Demcon.png]]Democratic Confederalism

[[File:Ectrans.png]]J.D. Moyer

 * [[File:Ectrans.png]]A Solarpunk Manifesto

[[File:Chom.png]]Noam Chomsky[[File:AnSynd.png]]

 * [[File:AnSynd.png]]On Anarchism

[[File:Einstein.png]]Albert Einstein[[File:Soc-h.png]]

 * [[File:Soc-h.png]]Why Socialism?

[[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Vikky Storm and Eme Flores[[File:Xenofeminism.png]]

 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
 * [[File:Awaj.png]]It’s Time For “Mad Anarchism”

[[File:Anqueer.png]]Alyson Escalante[[File:Postfem.png]]

 * [[File:GenderNihil.png]]Gender Nihilism: An Anti-Manifesto

[[File:Steinval.png]]Peter Vallentyne

 * [[File:Steinval.png]]Left-Libertarianism: A Primer
 * [[File:Steinval.png]]Left-Libertarianism as a Promising Form of Liberal Egalitarianism

[[File:Monkeyzz-Enlightenment.png]]Philosophy

 * [[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus - The Myth Of Sisyphus
 * [[File:Sartre.png]]John Paul Sartre - Existentialism Is A Humanism
 * [[File:ExistFem.png]]Simone De Beauvoir - The Ethics Of Ambiguity

[[File:Awaj.png]]Anarchism

 * [[File:AnSynd.png]]Noam Chomsky - On Anarchism
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]Emma Goldman - Anarchism And Other Essays

[[File:Ego.png]]Egoism

 * [[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner - The Ego And Its Own
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]For Ourselves! - The Right To Be Greedy

[[File:Soc-h.png]]Socialism

 * [[File:Indlibsoc.png]]Oscar Wilde - The Soul Of Man Under Socialism
 * [[File:Einstein.png]]Albert Einstein - Why Socialism?

[[File:Anqueer.png]]Gender/Queer[[File:Anfem.png]]

 * [[File:Gender_Accelerationism.png]]Vikky Storm and Eme Flores - Gender Accelerationist Manifesto
 * [[File:GenderNihil.png]]Alyson Escalante - Gender Nihilism: An Anti-Manifesto

[[File:Situ.png]]Situationism And Subsequent Writings[[File:Postsitu.png]]

 * [[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord - Society Of The Spectacle
 * [[File:Situ.png]]Raoul Vaneigem - The Revolution Of Everyday Life
 * [[File:Postsitu.png]]Jean-Pierre Voyer - The Economy Is Only An Ideology In Marx's Sense

Youtube Channels

 * [[File:Neomarx.png]]Tom Nicholas
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]Sisyphus 55
 * [[File:Mutualist.png]]Then & Now
 * [[File:GeoSoc.png]]Unlearning Economics
 * [[File:BrtiMonkey.png]]BritMonkey
 * [[File:Awaj.png]]Great Anarchists
 * [[File:Libsoc.png]]YourBoiMason
 * [[File:Existentialism.png]]Eternalised
 * [[File:Ego.png]]Kane B
 * [[File:Ancom.png]]Radical Reviewer

[[File:Ego.png]]Max Stirner

 * [[File:Ego-nihil.png]]"All things are nothing to me."
 * [[File:Ego.png]]"I love men too - not merely individuals, but every one. But I love them with the consciousness of egoism; I love them because love makes me happy, I love them because loving is natural to me, because it pleases me. I know no commandment of love."
 * [[File:Illeg.png]]"The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime."
 * [[File:Egocom.png]]"I am not at all against socialism, but against consecrated socialism... not against socialists, but against sacred socialism."

[[File:Camus.png]]Albert Camus

 * [[File:Existentialist_Anarchism.png]]"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion."
 * [[File:Absurd.png]]"You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of. You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life."

[[File:Debord.png]]Guy Debord

 * [[File:Situ.png]]"In our society now, we prefer to see ourselves living than living."

[[File:Anpostleft.png]]Bob Black

 * [[File:Antwork.png]]"Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world."
 * [[File:Antwork.png]]"Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be play is work if it's forced"

Comments
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 * - Add catism and variants
 * - Add my old self-insert, plz.
 * My new self insert is South Floridan Socialism- tony